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Luiz Aragon's full email, and what it really means (what I love most is he confidently cites sources from 1999, 2002, 2003, and 1996, like the world has not drastically changed since those text books were written) -

"While Lumberland has an abundance of open space, the predominance of the land is in private ownership. A whittling away of this open space through conventional subdivision, even into large lots, would result in a suburban style community not in keeping with the parameters set forth in the Town’s Comprehensive Plan. "

Lumberland has been around for 200 years, and surprisingly, it is no more cut up or subdivided than it was 200 yrs ago. There have been a total of 3 subdivision plans approved by the Lumberland Town Planning Board in 2011, resulting in 7 building lots. Very little 'whittling' by any measure.

"All communities were once an abundance of open space, including cities and suburbs. Once rural areas have become monotonous suburbs resulting in the degradation of qualities Lumberland seeks to preserve. Even in the case of large lot subdivision, the open space is still not protected, and can result in a suburban feel."

He knows how to use the land better than we do? Where exactly are the qualities being degraded? I think most people would agree the limited development that does happen helps businesses like his and others survive.

"Conservation subdivision ... is a development strategy strongly connected to preservation of rural areas"

What he forgets to mention is that preservation is necessary where there is growth pressure. There is no growth pressure in Lumberland, and western/southern Sullivan county has never seen a development boom because we are too far away from anything to be a bedroom community.

"Conservation subdivision is currently a part of the Town’s zoning law, and the Planning Board currently has the right to require a conservation subdivision from a developer proposing to subdivide property."

Very true, and this option should remain that way - it should not be mandated.

"Research shows that homes in conservation subdivisions sell faster, sell for more, and can save on construction costs when compared to similar homes . In South Kingston, Rhode Island, lots in conservation subdivisions cost an average of $7,400 less to produce and sold in about half the time compared to lots in conventional subdivisions. In 2009, researchers in Iowa determined that developers underestimated the importance that potential home buyers place on open space. Residents responded they would be willing to pay up to $2,000 more for homes with proximity to open space."

Absolutely frightening baloney. Why look to Iowa? Luiz has so little understanding of these communities he lives in that he is comparing us to Rhode Island, and Iowa. Sullivan County is a very unique place.

"It is a misconception that everyone wants their own 5 acres."

I'm just wondering how much real estate has sold up here that has enabled him to come up with this outrageous statement. People actually want more, not less, in my opinion. I don't know of a single client out of 200 that we have that want to share their land.

"For those potential buyers who ask for 5 acres, it is important to know what that 5 acres represents, since many of the qualities a purchaser expects from a 5 acre parcel, will not be protected or delivered by a 5 acre parcel. "

It's called getting out of your car with your real estate agent or builder and looking at the land.

"For home-buyers, the open space is a valuable amenity for aesthetic and recreational reasons, as well as for economic reasons. Homes in conservation subdivisions tend to appreciate faster than comparable homes in conventional subdivisions and to sell for higher prices than similar homes on larger lots in subdivisions without significant open space amenities. Buyers are willing to pay more for land adjacent to protected greenspace. Homes in conservation subdivisions, despite smaller lot sizes, can sell for significantly more than those in conventional developments."

Very irresponsible statement with little current evidence of being true.

"Buyers are willing to pay more for land adjacent to protected greenspace. "

Not when it's their backyard that they are paying taxes on. People enjoy private property.

"Other points about conservation subdivisions.

• The cost of developing the lots can be reduced, which can support the inclusion of some affordable housing units as part of the development project."

(Affordable Housing in a rural subdivision geared to second homeowners - frighteningly stupid idea).

"• Future service costs for public infrastructure, such as roads, sewers and water lines, are lower because roads and water/sewer lines can be shorter."

(We don't have public infrastructure, sewers, waterlines - duh)

"• Property values within conservation subdivisions can appreciate faster than properties in conventional subdivisions due to the added amenities provided by the adjacent open space."

(Absolutely not true in this area)

"• Residents enjoy the recreational opportunities and views provided by the preserved open space."

(With over 100,000 acres of protected land within 15 minutes of Lumberland, do we really need to take people's back yards as well?)

"• A larger network of protected areas and open space can be created if open space is connected across several developments and potentially support trail networks for walking, biking, and hiking."

(So instead of enjoying the woods, let's make trails)

"• The clustering of houses can encourage more walking and more frequent interaction with ones’ neighbors, fostering a stronger sense of community"

(Communities aren't forced - they are made organically, and from what I have seen, people aren't coming up here to unvoluntarily get to know their neighbor who is walking through their open space in their back yard).

The total and complete lack of appreciation of why people move to the area. Yes, everything he says has a time and place, but the time is not now and the place is most definitely not Sullivan County, or more specifically, Lumberland NY.

The one result of Fritz Mayer's River Reporter article is that we finally have some honesty from Luiz Aragon and his Planning Department - finally he is fessing up to believing in these development theories instead of running from them like he has been.

Bottomline, Lumberland has done such a terrible job over the last 200 years that we need Luiz to come in and save us from ourselves with development models that don't work?

Really? At least no other town will let the Planning Department in the door after this email. Sadly, Luiz probably doesn't even realize how insulting these ideas are to the average citizen of Lumberland.

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Ok - my annoyance at retarded zoning and clueless people has passed. So, let's talk fishing. As someone who is incredibly not handy with 'projects around the house', not talented at outdoorsy stuff like hunting, gardening, fishing, it's always a challenge when I aspire to turn over a new leaf and develop that side of things. Typically it starts and stops with a trip to an expensive outfitter like Orvis, dropping some coin, getting my line all tangled amongst a bunch of swearing and putting it all in the closet corner for some 'future usage'. Well, I guy I know - Tony - runs a service that I've known about for a few years but for some dumb reason I never connected the dots that his services might be of a lot of interest to my homeowners and local readers. He does fishing lessons - "fly fishing and light action spin" full and half day fishing trips on the local rivers in a driftboat. His fishing blog - And articles and videos - Sounds like the perfect way to spend the afternoon with your weekend guests (or even better, impressing that weekend girlfriend who's just getting to know the area - talk about 'instant cool' and facilitated 'relations' later on.) It's amazing when you realize you live somewhere and don't take advantage of the all the reasons other people come to the area to experience - like living in NYC and never going up the Rockefeller Center or Empire State building or visiting the Intrepid. Enjoy. Beware Tony's got an odd sense of Humor - lol.

Lucas' ipad creation ( I helped)....

Remedial photoshop farting around....

Stickers and stars from the Monkey Game...

An oar I bought at a local antiques store for my swanky apartment I'm furnishing in Saugerties, NY....

My favorite book-keeper.... Been with me from the very beginning when it was just me and her and a whole lot of debt....

My favorite barber shop in Saugerties, named Hot Towel, no less....

Playing around at the NYC boat show...

Downtown Saugerties...

Painting my apartment...

Home goods across the street...

My favorite farmhouse on StarJem road that we are closing on next week....

My favorite real estate company who gave me their exclusive front window, and who sold their first listing of mine in 7 days...

My favorite new Cottage 38 in Stone Ridge, NY...

My favorite smartest son and his good friend Woody in a cool NYC apartment overlooking the Statue of Liberty and the Hudson River ...

and his city friends, showin' 'em how to play in the woods, climb log piles and stamp on ice puddles to make them crack...

My favorite office wall of the roads I've built and named...

Lucas whooping it up on New Years Eve (yes, that's his real hair) ...

And New Years Eve Eve at Jeanne and Deb at Cottage 14... That's Bryce, Thom and Justen from the Tuthill Road gang...

Yahwza, I'm busy, and I fear it's just going to be busier than ever this year.

We have built a lot of homes in Sullivan County and I plan to keep on building. We typically concentrate along what I like to call the Delaware River Corridor which stretches from Pond Eddy to Narrowsburg. Here's some shots of our winter projects in this neck of the woods. Barn V above and below - a super neat house being built by Bill and Veronica. They have a young son named Patrick. On a road in Narrowsburg, where we are building/have built 6 homes, the clients came with a total of 6 young children.

The Big Barn is coming along nicely - we used a Slate Grey Siding, and in the foreground in the garage.

We have finished the insulation phase, and are now sheetrocking and adding wood to the ceilings.

And of course kick ass Farm 18 is moving right along. We should be ready for the electrical, plumbing and heating inspection, and then ready for the insulation.

And Ranch VI is hot on the tails of these other homes. Friends of the folks who bought Barn IV, this ranch is a lot like Ranch V, only bigger with a built out basement, on a more secluded piece of land.

With the one we have going on in Stone Ridge, and the one we are starting outside of Eldred, we should be able to keep very busy once again this winter.