Catskills - Sullivan County - Ulster County Real Estate -- Catskill Farms Journal

Old School Real estate blog in the Catskills. Journeys, trial, tribulations, observations and projects of Catskill Farms Founder Chuck Petersheim. Since 2002, Catskill Farms has designed, built, and sold over 250 homes in the Hills, investing over $100m and introducing thousands to the areas we serve. Farms, Barns, Moderns, Cottages and Minis - a design portfolio which has something for everyone.

Thursday, October 19, 2023

Small homes

We like our small houses, in fact, was ahead of the curve back in 2007 when we came out with our 2 bedroom, counter-intuitive cottage series.  Back then, height of the boom, bigger was better.  Bigger house, bigger mortgage (lower downpayment!) - bigger bigger bigger.  But in Sullivan County, where we only built back then, the sweet spot for pricing was $300k-ish, and so with some savvy market insights that have served me well from day 1 of this entrepreneurial journey, I thought I saw what no one else was seeing - that our NYC clientele didn’t need a big house, in fact, given their druthers, wouldn’t actually want a big house - and nothing right-sized was being built or available.

So, with the help of the Sears Roebuck catalouge of the 1920’s, as well as some studies of other small homes, we came up with some good looking 1300 sq ft homes that we could sell for the $300’s.  They were a hit and carried us right through the international real estate collapse of 2009. Our Cottages -

Built around 2010 in Eldred NY

On one of our favorite roads in the Catskills is Lake Ridge Road in Narrowsburg.  It used to be lake front lots, but the damn broke back in the 60’s  or something so the lake went away.  But the lots remained.  The challenge of the lots is that they have minimum road frontage - 200’ - meaning an ill-planned house can quickly overwhelm the lot and encroach on neighbors - bad for everyone, bad for values.

Circa 2009 in Narrowburg NY

So we’ve always stayed modest on our home sizes up there, and no better time than now to reintroduce our mini-cottage homes. Part of the secret of our small homes is we don't skimp on the land, or the components and products we put in the homes - they are smaller yes, but they maintain the same level of care and finish as any of our homes.

Will be interesting to see how the market reacts to these homes - it's been very eye-opening to price these homes, since at lower sales prices you need to be pretty careful about pricing or you can lose your knickers - shit is just so expensive - these homes are literally costing me $75k more to build - or 35% more than the last time I built them.

2 new ones, Narrowsburg NY
Sunday, October 15, 2023

Post Surgical Venting (and building houses)

I hope it’s not just an illusion, but I think I’m experiencing a slight improvement in mobility, a slight decrease in general discomfort, and a slight uptick in hope that I won’t live forever with a John McCain style useless arm and completely distracting pain. My doctor, a well-known NYC physician, should have let me in on the full scope of this recovery - I know next time before I do anything I'm watching YouTube. That's where all the information is. I mean, I consulted my physician 3 times before surgery and never once did he say 'be ready for a life-disrupting experience full of immobility, pain, intense physical therapy where you earn every 1/4" of regained mobility". That's a lot different than "be ready for a few months of PT".

I often compare this stuff to how I operate - I mean, if a client came to me and asked me for a referral for something - say mold removal in a rental property they bought. Sure, I may be able to introduce them to the GOAT (greatest of all time) mold removal people, but maybe I've seen them downplay the disruption narrative in the past, so it's my job to give my client a little color - 'hey, get ready to be lose 4 months of rent, deal with a ton of indirect but associate dust and cleanup, " etc... If I know this to be true, then my job is to give some color. Our process and what we provide our clients is so superior to what I see out there across a broad array of industries I deal with.

Homecoming

Seven weeks in, and with an improved sense of humor last night with my son and his friend, I managed to look back over the last 7 weeks and wonder how the heck I just pulled off what I did - 4 houses under contract, 4 new hires and training, 3 new foundations in, raise a kid, keep the house going, etc…  I’ve stood outside myself on many occasions and wonder how the heck this or that was accomplished but this one really takes the cake in terms of brute force willpower.  Sitting at home for 6 weeks was a real choice too for many folks undergoing shoulder surgery. Having a useless arm makes every aspect of life complicated.

One of the toughest parts of this business is the ying and yang of clients. Aggressive, gratitude, reasonableness, unreasonableness, fairness, unfairness, politeness, rudeness, predictability, unpredictability - all in equal spoonfuls, all coming at me at the same time. I feel half the time like Jeremiah Johnson in the Robert Redford western where after he inadvertently disturbs an Indian burial ground, they launch continuous surprise attacks on him year after year that he barely fends off.

It's been doubly apparent since as I rebuild the team, I've been closer than normal to some of the nitty gritty of the requests that come our way, and lets be honest, because I know the miracles we perform, the magic we conjure, the mountains we move for our clients, sometimes the endless quest on their end to perfect every square inch gets a little old.

It's nothing new. It's a tough business, with constantly moving goal posts. It's why I ponder and wonder whether it's a business I'd want my son to join - as a way of life, I'm just not sure the aggravation is worth the glory.

I’ve been realizing it’s the nonsense that really annoys me.  Give me a real problem to solve, and I get it.  Saddle me with some short bus pissing match over $100 that I have to step in and fix, and that really gets to me since I’m not a kindergarten hall monitor.

On any given week, we are attending to at least a half a dozen warranty issues.  I take it serious and we are pretty surgical with it and for the most part I take care of things far in excess of any legal standard, mostly because my team of subcontractors helps me defray the cost in many instances.  It's difficult to reconcile the effort we make on the behalf our projects, and the inability to accomplish a simple goal of client satisfaction. I think I have it figured out a bit though, and it's not the greatest epiphany, - it's not gratitude I'm searching for anymore for literally providing one of the most value oriented, seamless design/build processes I've seen, - it's really just the hope that at some point the client will leave us alone and stop asking for more, for free!

I deal with literally hundreds of vendors a month, many for my own home, house, car, pool, dog.  I have a great perspective on the lack of ‘meeting half way’ mentality of many many of these companies, and I know that’s not us. We go WAY over the top.

Modular pool with window

And maybe that’s the point - thanks for tagging along with my writing therapy.  Maybe the reward for being so dedicated to the success of our clients isn’t gratitude, but rather success - since it’s clear we are and remain successful and by far the dominate company putting out neat homes all over the Catskills.  So maybe what’s going on here is my wish for appreciation for what I know is an outstanding effort is better just measured in my own wealth building and lifestyle, and that of my team.

It wasn’t that long ago, I’d say 5 years max, that most of our clients far exceeded me in net worth, but somewhere along the line, that has reversed.  I’m sure my accumulated assets of cash, investments, real estate etc… now dwarfs most of our clients, but what will always be true is I’m a pretty grateful person because of it - I’ve seen the effort I’ve made, inch by inch, day by day, year by year to accumulate generational wealth, and I’m appreciative of the people who participated in that journey.  Truly, I get their help in it, I appreciate their help in it, I’m grateful for their help. And I know my efforts changed their lives too.

New Ranch

Mind you, a lot of people I work with - mason, excavators, spray foam installers, tile sales people - are rich, multimillionaires who are experts at their craft and earned every penny. Some of these guys make serious bang - I wouldn't be surprised if my mason makes $3m a year. That's topping most NYC professionals, even in lucrative fields like banking, with much lower cost of living up here. It's weird that the tradesmen are out-earning the clients but that's the case, and also the case for the non-debt non-college route (at least, non-debt college route). You can get a big jump on life if you don't waste 4 or 5 years at a lifestyle college learning how to sit at a desk.

What’s also true is that I’m from a blue collar background so the men and women putting in the work here are not invisible to me - but fully recognized for their efforts, for their talents and for their true dedication.  Many of my relationships are hundreds of houses old now, some stemming back 15 years.  The problems we have solved together are countless, the seriousness of the problems we have found solutions to are mind-boggling.  The bridge my company spans is that of synthesizing the communication talents or lack of with a wide variety of goals from each party, and finding ways to satisfy, engage, compensate to keep this thing rolling.  I guess the dirty little secret is my relationships with my large team of professionals and tradesmen, and long tear-filled journey we have walked together, is a lot more important to me than that of my clients - not that my clients aren’t amazing people who have every right to have their expectations met, it’s just that my fellow colleagues in the industry and I have walked in the same shoes and have unspoken appreciation for what we all go through each day.

Custom House in Forestburgh

This isn’t fair the vast majority of our clients, but it’s true enough that I don’t think one of my goals is to have my son enter this highly profitable and enviously positioned organization that he could do quite a bit with - why would I want him to engage a position with so little positive and earned gratitude?  I’m actually not blaming anyone - it is what it is- I will continue to recognize and thank the smallest effort made on my behalf, and I think, if I look around, the less I personally get it, the more I give it - and it seems like that is a remedy that works.

It’s a bright sunny Sunday, and in my inbox lies an unending stream of requests, some reasonable some not, each and everyone I know are grenades of varying intensity, never really knowing what explosive result awaits us as we tackle 98% perfectly and can’t do anything about the 2%.  I feel like Jeremiah Johnson, with the constant sneak attacks from the natives up in the Montana highlands.

This blog post was written over 2 weeks - in varying degree of pain, with varying degrees of discomfort, with varying degrees of optimism. What is very true, is that it is just a brief moment in time, capturing my perspective for that brief moment, and is probably as much wrong as right. What is also true - what is paramountly true - is our client list is one of the most dynamic, robust, diverse, interesting group of people ever assembled under one brand - that I know to be true. And as I've said many times, my biggest regret of this journey thus far is being too busy to develop deeper more personal relationships with these amazing people

Well, let's be honest - that's only partly true, since every time I try, we end up discussing why the hot water doesn't get the to master bath quick enough, or why the fireplace smokes, or the alignment of the kitchen cabinet, or the size of gaps in between the boards of the wood floor!!!!

I mean, my legacy will dot the Catskills landscape for centuries, and hopefully our aesthetic and style stands the test of time, which I think it will, so 100 years from now, our homes are still admired for their appreciation of modesty, good design, and restraint. 300 homes, across 3 counties, sold the toughest demographic - the NYC professional.

Filming a commercial with Jeff Bank president George Kinne.

This house in North Branch just went under contract. It's a beaut.
Friday, September 29, 2023

Season transitions

Wow, the weather has sucked, Nearly constant rain, and a lot of it. Hit home hard with the hurricane remnants on Monday, but it's been rainy even without that gut punch. Raining this morning. Little sun. Nothing dries out this time of year. Getting chilly. Would be nice to get a few weeks of moderate temps and sunshine.

Shoulder repair is nearly six weeks on - and the only positive thing I have to say about the whole thing is that luckily time marches on, because the process itself is seemingly interminable. And now while my arm still lies limply at my side, I'm able to start PT. I've done PT in the past for this or that, but never like this, where you are bring a dead stiff limb back to life. It's like a movie PT where the pain is incredible and the progress is baby steps and unfathomably slow. I've been working since the 3rd day after surgery, but it's been a real testament to my forward progress at all costs and over all impediments mentality and makeup- I could easily see staying home for a month and laying low.

We've added 50% to our office admin overhead in terms of staffing, and it appears, fingers crossed, I've put humpty dumpty back together again in the post-Amanda phase. I didn't actually put it back together, I completely overhauled our operations, from top to bottom. I think I hypothesised and wrote I was going to do this, or that is was an opportunity to do this, but like the shoulder surgery, talking about it is one thing, the pain and suffering of actually doing it another thing altogether. Not easy at all. Not cheap at all. Honestly, I lost a year of my life, at 53, managing the last 9 months of business. But that's what happens when you kick the can of structural redundancy down the road - at some point, the house of cards needs to be rebuilt properly. Like many important things that happen in business, they are thrust onto your plate at the poorly-timed intervals.

Put a lot of houses into contract recently - 1 in Narrowsburg, 3 in Olivebridge. Have at least 2 in the hopper for our homes your land type of thing.

My 14 nearly 15 year old son has his first homecoming this weekend, and the after-party is at my house. All the parents are calling asking if a parent will be home! The hardest part will be staying up late enough to properly chaperone - had to call in the big guns for help - my 78 year old mom.

Sunday, September 17, 2023

Shoulder surgery and Staff Expansion

Blogging, and really all typing, and a host of other things, are being delayed or outright cancelled due to a shoulder surgery I underwent on August 22, nearly 4 weeks ago.  I seem to be turning the first corner into recovery here in the last day or two, but prior to that, typing, shaving, brushing my teeth, putting on my seatbelt, strapping on a belt, getting into and out of bed, and a 100 other things were 1 of three things - impossible, nearly impossible, almost impossible. 

A slightly torn rotator cuff muscle is literally microscopic, and prevents only 5-20% of motion, and faced with a 3 or 4 month recovery, I can why it should be weighed seriously the pros and cons.  It seems like I’m going to be on the ‘getting off easy’ end of the recovery, with only medium pain, no real complications to speak of, and the first sign of improvement as quick as 4 weeks in.

But in terms of running a business, driving around, walking my dog, and responding to the hundreds of emails I get a week, that’s been tough.   But judging from the comfy position I’m in right now with my right arm nestled in a strategic pillow at a good typing angle, things are looking up.

Then school started and my 14 yr old brought home a cold for me within a few days, and a cold and a slinged arm, and 24/7 dull pain, and a full workload, - now, that’s getting a little extreme.

But, you wake up, shake off the voices suggesting that the daunting calendar for the day is a bit overloaded (typically the 5-7am emotion), and start the day’s journey with a single step.  Same thing for 20 years.   When you do a lot of things that suck each week, the degree to which they suck diminishes just because you are used to suck-ass priorities that need to get done.  Duck and dodge, procrastinate and kick the can, and those things that suck that you need to do can easily weigh you down.

We put a house in Narrowsburg under contract, and we are looking at our 3rd deal at our Ashokan Acres project, we have a client-owned land going in Copake NY, and 2 in Forestburgh.  We just finished our last home at the Crest.  We have high hopes of starting another client-owned land project in Olivebridge, and we have leads coming in everyday.

2023 will definitely be remembered as the year of transition in the office.  We always have a fair amount of comings and goings out in the field, but now that aspect has been really solid.  In the office, however, since Amanda left in January, we’ve kept it rolling without any serious mistakes or delays, but it’s been largely because of my minute to minute effort across every aspect, which 1, is not what I’m here for, 2, tests and at times exceeds my skill set, 3, wears me out.  Breanna has been right there with me as we have seen 4 people come and get ushered out, and another 2 or 3 hires that had some complication shortly before they were supposed to start.

But with the hiring of Kathy, my full time executive advisor, we’ve been able to go down a much more methodical hiring path, and lord behold, a professional path leads to professional candidates.  HR takes time, and small businesses never have time to spare.  So we have 4 new people starting with a month of the first, and this will be the first time in the company’s history we’ve been appropriately staffed with appropriate skill sets in position.   The goal of redundancy and cross-department information sharing is almost at hand, and if done right, will position us for an entirely different level of service for our clients.

Now the question will be can we stay busy enough to support the new overhead, and a similar question, how much business have I been letting slip through my fingers because I/we just didn’t have the capacity.

Charles Petersheim, Catskill Farms (Catskill Home Builder)
At Farmhouse 35
A Tour of 28 Dawson Lane
Location
Rock & Roll
The Transaction
The Process
Under the Hood
Big Barn
Columbia County Home
Catskill Farms History
New Homes in the Olivebridge Area
Mid Century Ranch Series
Chuck waxes poetic...
Catskill Farms Barn Series
Catskill Farms Cottage Series
Catskill Farms Farmhouse Series
Interviews at the Farm ft. Gary
Interviews at the Farm ft. Amanda
Biceps & Building
Catskill Farms Greatest Hits
Construction Photos
Planned It
Black 'n White
Home Accents at Catskill Farms, Part 2
Home Accents at Catskill Farms, Part 1